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County Commissioners Feb. 22-23 2022

The Republican Party overruled the Josephine County Board of Commissioners last week, so the confusing language going on the May ballot regarding the question asking people to repeal the Code Enforcement Ordinance adopted late last year, will stand. During their Legal Counsel meeting Feb. 22 Commissioner Dan DeYoung pointed out, without reading the question during the meeting, that the language the petitioners, led by Republican Party Chair Holli Morton and state Sen. Art Robinson, was set up so voting yes means don’t repeal and voting no means repeal. DeYoung said he called Morton to try to get her to see the confusion and tweak the ballot question to make it clearer. However, she refused to budge, DeYoung said, so Commissioners decided to put the question on the ballot as written by the Republicans when they vote on it Wednesday. The Board could have changed the language but Commission Chair Herman Baertschiger said while he agreed it was “clunky language” Commissioners would be committing a “Constitutional taking” of the petitioner’s rights to do that if they changed the wording against their will.

Meanwhile, Commissioner’s discussed putting an advisory question on the ballot asking Josephine County voters if they would like to see the Idaho border moved to incorporate Josephine County. County Counsel Wally Hicks wrote the question: “In your opinion should Josephine County separate from Oregon and become part of Idaho?” The ballot summary is as follows: “The outcome of the election on this advisory question will not be binding. It will provide information to the board of county commissioners while the board formulates policy. Josephine County was created by the territorial legislature in 1856. It then became part of the State of Oregon when the state was formed in 1859. Josephine County has been part of the state of Oregon ever since that time. Josephine County can be part of only one state at a time. Next paragraph. The United States Constitution provides that parts of states may join other states by satisfying two requirements. One the state legislature must grant approval and two the United States Congress must grant approval. A yes vote would cause the Josephine County Board of Commissioners to take steps for transferring Josephine County from being under the Oregon State government to being under the Idaho State government. A no vote would discourage taking steps toward placing Josephine County under Idaho’s government.”

The explanatory statement is as follows: “Because Josephine County is located in the State of Oregon Josephine County residents must follow laws and rules that are approved by Oregon’s government. Residents of Idaho, which is the state that shares Oregon’s eastern border, are not bound to follow Oregon’s laws and rules because such persons do not live in Oregon. Idaho’s laws and rules are, in many cases, different from Oregon’s laws and rules. Moving Idaho’s border westward to include Josephine County would replace the requirement to follow Oregon’s laws and rules with a requirement to follow Idaho’s laws and rules. According to article Four, section 3 of the United States Constitution transferring parts of a state to another state requires quote “the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress. Due to the Constitution’s requirement for legislative and Congressional approval county resolutions have no formal role in the process of joining a new state. The outcome of the election on this advisory question will not be binding. It will provide information to the board of county commissioners while the board formulates policy.”

DeYoung said he thought the ballot statement implied that a yes vote would obligate Commissioners to start the process of getting out of Oregon, which would be a resolution saying Josephine County would like to leave the State of Oregon. Hicks said the explanatory statement says the advisory question is “non-binding.” That seemed to satisfy DeYoung.

Commissioner Darin Fowler said he’d like to see the advisory question on the ballot because he’s gotten a lot of “chatter” in his email advocating for it. “I think it’s a fair question to ask so I’d like to see it on the ballot,” he said.

Baertschiger, who introduced the matter, said little more than agreeing it should go on the ballot.

After the nearly 14-minute discussion with Hicks, Commissioners adjourned to an Executive Session to talk about county-owned property on D Street in Grants Pass, the Sportsman Park, and a confidential memo regarding structural firefighting. When Baertschiger reopened the Board meeting he said: “We had a very robust discussion on regulation of structural firefighting. So the people interested in fire standards and everything, we had a discussion. It’s a very complicated issue. But I think all three Commissioners have agreed to start having a conversation around this. Everyone needs to know it really needs to be citizen driven because if it isn’t it could be repealed through the initiative process and we don’t want that to happen. So, you know, running without a fire district is tough. I would also, as part of that conversation, is talk about the creation of a fire district. The commissioners can do that solely. We can’t put a number on it but we can create it and a board can be formed but those…I….this whole thing of, of structural firefighting in the unprotected areas of Josephine County needs to go on and ah try to find some kind of common ground that everybody can live with.”

After a little over 2 minutes Baertschiger closed Tuesday’s session.

Wednesday’s Weekly Business Session began with a public hearing regarding new fees in the Community Development Department, which encompasses Planning, Building Safety, Code Enforcement, Onsite Septic, Public Health and Solid Waste. Director Mark Stevenson said all these agencies are intertwined and having them under one department makes it possible for him to shift funds around between them. The new fees, he said will make Community Development closer to being independent of the General Fund and will put the costs of service on those using the service instead of the Josephine County taxpayer. After a Power Point presentation, during which Stevenson showed how the fees were developed, the public hearing was opened for comment but there were no speakers so the hearing was closed and the fees approved later by the Board.

DeYoung said after having a conversation with the Chair of the Mining Advisory Committee it was agreed that now is not the time to put an advisory question on the ballot asking voters if they prefer to keep Josephine County public lands open to mining in view of the environmental legislation being proposed by Sen. Ron Wyden in Congress. Commissioners agreed they’d like to see a map of which lands would be included in Wyden’s “land grab” as they call it, before putting anything on the ballot, even if it is just an advisory question.

During Public Comments three pro Greater Idaho people called in and suggested a slight change in the wording of the advisory question adding “along with other rural counties” so people wouldn’t think Josephine County would be an island of Idaho in Oregon. Becky Lemler said that explains better what’s being asked. Movement President Mike McCarter thanked Commissioners for their vote, saying this will give them a better idea of how the people of Josephine County feel about becoming part of Idaho. He said the U.S. Constitution allows states to move their borders and “it’s happened many times.” The main hurdle will be getting both the Oregon and the Idaho state legislatures to agree to the border change.

Chris Taylor, also with Citizens for a Greater Idaho, also asked Commissioners to include “along with other rural counties.”

“I do think it would be preferable to add four words to it “along with other rural counties” If you just ask about Josephine County which doesn’t share a border with Idaho people who are less informed don’t watch the news may think it’s a bit farcical to just move one county alone. And um, we are planning to do Citizens for Greater Idaho has the funds and is planning to do three mailers for every door in Josephine County so we do plan to make it a winning issue and most people should see that. Should see the fact that there’s already a group of counties that has voted in favor of this that borders with Idaho all the way to Klamath County. Klamath County and Douglas County are voting. It’s already on the ballot for May in those two counties so Josephine County would be joining a contiguous group of counties that vote in favor. And of course, if the states ever decide to move the border they would probably include all of eastern and southern Oregon together, but this question doesn’t show that and so I think those four words would be a good addition along with other rural counties. There was a comment about why don’t we move (to Idaho). The thing is we love our communities. We’ve invested years into relationships and eastern and southern Oregon voting patterns are very conservative. It’s two to one average. And it would be expensive and wasteful for the majority, almost 900,000 of us to find someone to buy all our farms so we could build new homes in Idaho. The Idaho legislators and polling is supportive of moving the border and we’ve had some progress in Oregon as well. In the Oregon legislature. And last year six counties voted on it and they were 62 percent in favor on average. But I think the percentage you get in Josephine is to some degree gonna depend on making the question as good as possible. So we’re talking about the actual proposal rather than just Josephine County alone and, um, thank you very much for considering this,” said Taylor, who didn’t say where he was from.

Mark Seligman, who is running to replace Commissioner Fowler on the Board, called in to refute what he perceived was said about him last week during Board comments and said if Commissioners want to live in Idaho “I suggest they pack up and go.”

Grants Pass City Councilor Brian De La Grange, following Seligman, said “that’s a hard act to follow so I’ll try.” He informed Commissioners the Food Bank has 1.000 blankets to hand out to the homeless in case they have some avenues for distribution.

“I also wanted to bring your attention that I submitted a public records request last week regarding the Sportsman’s Park and documentation saying the county insurance provider was no longer willing to insure that property and I have not yet received a response from your public information officer. It’s been one week now so I look forward to that response. I also don’t know, correct me if I’m wrong, I don’t know if the city has gotten an offer on the Dollar Mountain property yet. We submitted an offer to you guys I believe over a month ago now and City Manager has not brought a counter offer or any correspondence from you back to us on that so I look forward to getting that. I hope we hear soon. I also wanted to just take a second on the Greater Idaho Move Oregon’s Border Movement. That movement only received 722 local signatures which is less than 1 percent of the population of the county so to me it’s a little bit silly that you guys are taking the time and effort to put that on the ballot. Clearly there’s not enough support for that or the people that want it on the ballot haven’t done enough work to get the signatures to put it on the ballot so, not a great move that you guys are putting that on the ballot in my opinion and I think it will go down in flames. I guess we’ll see in May. And then the last thing is I’m really looking forward to the mask mandates going away here at the end of March so we can go back to in-person meetings and we can see each other’s smiling faces in person again. Thank you,” said De La Grange.

American Mineral Research Spokesman Jay Meredith called in to lament the Commission’s decision to leave the mining advisory question off the May ballot.

“I’d like you to hear our hearts in this matter, because this is not coming from me it’s coming from my company and a group of people who are trying to make you and everyone aware of the incredible economic opportunities we have in developing our mineral wealth here in Josephine County and Southwest Oregon. Our heart in this, and it’s even built into our mission statement, our company’s mission statement is to help Josephine County and Grants Pass. And so, from that perspective we need to…it’s been a very long journey over the years to try to get everybody to understand our economically and environmentally responsible mineral development opportunities we have here and so now that we’re starting to talk about it in the public sector, I mean you even talked about it on the radio yesterday and Sen Wyden talked about it in his last town hall in Josephine County. The word is starting to get out. Now it’s time to move our attention to the primary reason we’re talking about this which is compensation for law enforcement. Potential future revenue streams for Josephine County law enforcement or the sheriff’s office. So, it is ripe to ask this question. The Mining Advisory Committee may not be aware of this question that we’ve been advocating for the past…it was about five weeks ago we suggested that the county ask this question on the May ballot so this didn’t come through the Mining Advisory Committee, it came through American Mineral Research. We also requested the mining Advisory Committee to talk about this but they ran out of time to talk about it in our last meeting so this is not an effort that comes from them necessarily but I think they support the general idea behind this. So, Commissioners, it is the right time. We can’t wait until Congress takes away our lands before you ask these sort of questions. These questions have to be asked in a different way and they have to be asked in the frame of mind of protecting our future economy and for protecting our future law enforcement revenue. So, I’ve rewritten the question. Basically I took what we recommended and what Counselor Hicks drew up and I blended them. This is 19 words. The question should be approved today and it should say “in your opinion should Congress compensate Josephine County if additional federally managed lands are cut off from critical mineral development. I have lots more to say. We’ll continue this discussion in the coming weeks and months,” said Meredith.

Responding to the comments, DeYoung dismissed Seligman and De La Grange’s concerns about the Greater Idaho petition but agreed to add the words to the ballot question the Greater Idaho proponents wanted. As to De La Grange’s complaint that public records he requested some time ago still haven’t come forth DeYoung said “Brian we are not required to hand deliver to you in person. You should get a response that the information you seek is available.” As for Meredith’s concerns, DeYoung seemed to be growing weary of him.

“I need to see a proposal as to how you anticipate that (county funding) to happen. You know right now I’m seeing that you will explore but I don’t know as will your company physically mine that or will your company explore, establish a value and then sell shares in that value….or how does that work? And where would there be a monetary value, what could the county expect? Because it’s gonna take the county to basically move this thing forward and we are, we’re not stopping. Commissioner Beartrigger (the way DeYoung pronounces it) and I met with Congressman Bentz yesterday on another issue but it always seems to whirl back around to natural resources in this area. So, um we’re working on this in the background we are working on it and we’re relying on our representation in Washington DC to carry that water for us for the most part but I’d like to see some sort of a plan that, if for instance you were to have American Mineral Resources have this great discovery of whatever mineral it is or a composite of minerals, what does that really mean to Josephine County?” said DeYoung.

Fowler responded to De La Grange by saying “we did discuss Dollar Mountain recently and we are going to respond. The offer was too low by Commissioner’s reckoning and we may put it on the auction block if we can’t get a deal.”

Baertschiger spent his lashback time addressing Seligman, refuting his claims and calling him a Democrat (Seligman, an Independent, identifies as a Libertarian). He told De La Grange “public records requests take time” and gave as an example a request he made to Oregon Forestry that took four months to get.  Regarding the Greater Idaho question “at the end of the day this will be a decision by the citizens of Josephine County,” he said.

During Matters from Commissioners DeYoung reported he attended a Fair Board meeting and “it’s going to be a whole different fair.”

“I just wish the Flying Lark could’ve been part of this year’s fair. We’ll work through that and he (Travis Boersma) has agreed to do three horse races this year,” said DeYoung.

The Bill and Herman Show

On February 22, with Josephine County Commissioner Herman Baertschiger on the phone, KMED Host Bill Meyer continued to promote walkouts in the state legislature by Republicans “who seem to be playing duck and cover just to get through the mid-terms.” He said Republicans believe they can flip the Oregon legislature this year or maybe gain more seats to get it very close. Josephine County Commissioner Herman Baertschiger said Republicans are being stirred up by the media which puts Congressional Rep. Liz Cheney out there to cause dissent in the party.

They also talked about how Republicans were a bit disappointed in Rep. Cliff Bentz, who doesn’t seem willing to defund vaccine mandates then went on to complain about their favorite targets, Democrats and the Grants Pass Daily Courier.

Herman – Whatever appropriation bill vaccine mandates are in it would be interesting to see what other appropriations are in there that would benefit that congressional district so I don’t know but that’s usually the breadcrumbs that I would start to follow.

Bill – Yeah, but if you can’t protect the people from tyrannical growth of government power because you’re worried about some other money for some other program. You know, hey, wait a minute. We’re always told Republicans are there to limit government and to restore and to protect liberty. In fact, I think everyone should be protecting liberty. Both Democrats and Republicans but the Democrats at this point in time are on a full bore attack on liberty. And that’s just it. and so at the very basis you wouldn’t want to grow that medical police state and I’m surprised that anyone would even question well yeah, I, I, I can’t let the money go. I can’t let the money go through even if it hurts other things. Just sayin.

Herman – Yeah, no I don’t disagree with you. That’s the political part of it and you’re right, as I said at the Lincoln day dinner my biggest fear is the slow erosion of our Constitutional rights federally and state.

Bill – Yeah, exactly. And some of its being fast tracked there by the opposition party and so you, you have to……I just don’t think a, a safe approach right now is gonna protect the people here because, ya know, I’m just givin ya, this is my spitball here and these are interesting times where we find ourselves and there are a lot of, I mean I look at the difference between a couple of years ago, with you leading the walkout and protecting us against Cap and Trade as um, you took a lot of incoming, but you did the right thing. You were protecting your constituents and I’m seeing very little similar activity coming out of a lot of people this year. It’s very much a keep your head down and just bore…just wait for the election. I don’t think that’s gonna work.

Herman – Well, after what we just observed happening in Canada, supposably a free country, Democrat elections and everything, I think that’s very, very scary to be honest with you.

Bill – Which is all the more reason why we have to be vigilant at this point because….yeah I could see soldiers and people like that in the United States doing beat downs of truckers. Look what happened. Over in Ottawa. You could see that happening in D.C. Couldn’t you? I don’t think Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi would have any problem doing something like that. At all.

Herman – Well I will tell you that Trudeau and them, they did a lotta polling before. You know there’s a lot of polling going on before those kinds of decisions are bein’ made. And you know I always kinda wanta bring us back…it’s amazing how many people are willing to give up their freedoms. I mean when I seen that poll that 42 percent a democrats support mandate vaccinations including incarceration for those who won’t…..I just…those kinda things are very scary to me. Ok?

Bill – Which is why I don’t think you can give an inch on such matters because you know where they wish to take it. whether they’re thinking they’re doing the right thing No one’s stopping them from taking their shots. No one’s stopping them from putting on their fear mask. No one’s stopping them from doing this Herman. The idea is there must be uniformity on this.

Herman – Yeah. No, it’s, it’s scary. People better start ah, rethinking their position on some of these issues because I will tell you that when those rights are diminished or absolutely gone you won’t get em back unless it’s a complete melt-down revolution type situation.

Bill – And as much wind is behind the back for Republicans and now you’re Oregon Party vice-chair. As much wind as that, uh, at their backs at this point what I think will really drive voters, and I was talkin about this with Kim (state Rep. Wallen) I said if you really want to have people support you stand when you don’t necessarily have the power to instead of kind of keeping your head down saying give us more people, give us more people, give us more people. They would like to see some action right now. When you see such carnage being dealt out by the Democrats including, uh, essentially saying we need to stop enforcing laws because diverse individuals break the laws more and because of disparate impact we can’t enforce the law. But other people have to enforce the law. We’ll make you enforce the law. I mean is, is this is the stuff we’re talking about, these racist laws that are coming down from the Democratic Party. And if we’re not standing up now whose gonna stand up in the future? I’m just sayin, you can’t honestly think even if they got 27 Republicans in the House this fall that all of a sudden next session everything the Democrats did badly will be repealed. I’m not that silly that would be the case. What about you?

Herman – When was the last time you seen a law repealed in the state of Oregon?

Bill – Almost never happens! That’s just it. laughing. That’s exactly what I’m getting at. If you don’t stop it now Herman…

Herman – I’ve always said that. Once it’s in legislation…oh, I’ve seen a lotta stuff modified but absolutely repealing the whole thing is very rare.

Bill – OK. Alright. So we kind of agree on that. At that point. I’m, I’m just sending up the warning because it’s not only getting more people but people have to think that if we send more people that you will continue to stand strong if you’re standing strong right now. If you won’t stand strong right now, you end up driving down voter enthusiasm. I guess is what I’m talking about. And caring. That kind of thing.

Herman – Yeah, I would say that, that Republicans are looking for somebody that is absolutely willing to go toe to toe with the Democrats. They’re looking for that. They’re looking for a hero and somebody better rise to that occasion.

Bill – Ok. Alright. So we agree on that. What else is going on in your world that we should be knowing about? Herman laughs. Bill anything going on with the county this week that we should be focusing on or……

Herman interrupts – Well, no the Courier went after you and me last Thursday because we talked about their polling you know and I said the poll they use, that’s a, it’s, its, it’s so false and misleading. It could be manipulated so easy where you just, where you just go to their website and kick the button and so I my quote was “it’s stupid.” You know. To actually believe that it’s legitimate, scientific poll well Stoddard’s reply to me was this is crazy. This is nuts. No one at the Daily Courier including myself has ever claimed that our website online polls are scientific. As long as I’ve been editor they have never been used in a story or an opinion piece as supporting evidence of anything.

Bill – He may be right about that though Herman because frankly the online polls are stupid things that just about everybody does. You know Lars does an online poll. It’s a poll affirming the confirmation bias of the audience of the show, right? And so…when they do a Twitter poll or when the Daily Courier does a poll I used to do the polls but I don’t like doing them anymore because it’s not a scientific poll. It’s just kind of stupid red meat or blue meat if you wanna call it that. Heh, heh, heh. Depending on who you’re directing it to. That’s kinda how I see it.

Herman – Well and then at the end of it he goes Baertschiger never apologized for falsely insinuating the newspaper lied on its application for COVID relief aid. So he’s still burned up about that you know. And guess what? Baertschiger’s not gonna apologize for pointing it out? So, I’m sorry. Bill Why? Herman Stoddard’s just using his…you know and I think it actually helps us Bill. I see people all the time that say you know they’re so over the top. You know there’s never been one good word said about me, in the Courier after one year bein a Josephine County Commissioner. It is always negative. It is always goin’ after me about something. But the remarkable thing is I think it’s helping me because I have more and more people come up and say you just keep doin what you’re doin and I am not gonna renew my subscription to the Courier. So I think…Stoddard…thank you!

Bill – OK. So you’re living in his head a little bit, I guess. At that point.

Herman – Yeah. I mean….it’s a…you know I pointed out a few weeks ago on you show how the Democrat Party transcribes everything you and I are saying, transcribed and on their website. Very professionally.

Bill – Hmm. The thing is I understand. I don’t have an ax to grind against Scott. In fact I’ve even talked about some of the stories they’ve done. They’ve done some good journalism over there. There are some times when I’ve said Hey, great to see that. I’ve commented on. And I’m a subscriber because I want to see what they’re up to just like I am a subscriber of the Medford Mail Tribune and I’m a subscriber of the Josephine County Eagle. I try to keep up on various prospectives. I think where Scott and I might disagree on some things is that media is different today than it was even when I was going up and probably when you were growing up there too. There was more of an attempt to keep things straight down the middle. Now, as far as me. I’m an opinion guy and I make no bones about it. I have a very strong position. I think they termed me hyper-partisan. Laughs. And the thing is I make no bones about it. yeah. I’m just honest about it but I never not mention that. I mean I am what I am. I’m completely honest about my positions on something. I’m not pretending to be a straight down the middle journalist. But what’s so funny is that the straight down the middle journalists all come from one side, usually, of the ideological cesspool but we’re supposed to believe there’s no bias told in any of the stories from the point of view of the way a story starts of a who they talk to, what is said and maybe more importantly Herman what is not said by media reporters today. What is not covered. That could be something else worthy of discussion.  That shows where bias comes in. so everybody has a bias but nobody wants to admit it I guess. That’s where it goes.

Herman – Well of course and it’s like people are always pointing out, especially the liberals, they say Baertschiger a commissioner’s position is not partisan. And you know I look at em and I laugh! There is no such thing. If you have an election. There’s gonna be partisans. I think that…I really don’t believe these non-partisan elections are ridiculous in my opinion because I’ll tell you, if the people elect a conservative, a conservative is going to govern through the lens of conservative. And if you elect a liberal, then that liberal will govern through a liberal lens. So when they say that it’s non-partisan and it’s an election people elect you on what you believe and what you say.

Bill – Well….it’s interesting. There’s another article, a piece that Scott did a few days ago, that he talked about he wanted to keep partisanship, no it was keep politics, out of the school board election because it was…the school board opening in Josephine County….and I said, you’re doing an election. An election is a political act. There is absolutely no way if you’re doing elections there is no way that politics is kept out of it. It is a political act by definition. And as if somehow we’re going to elect school board members because the government school system has absolutely no bias or ideological bent which we know is not the case. Laughs. It’s just one of the challenges with the school board elections. It’s interesting times commissioner. It’s all I can say. It really is.

Herman – Oh it is. Umm. And I been lookin at some of the bills. You know I don’t have a good sense on what’s movin’, what’s important, what’s not in the session but I’ll tell you what. There’s no shortage of brilliant ideas at the legislature right now. Good Lord.

Bill – Are you being sarcastic about that. I’m hoping.

Herman – Oh yes heh, heh, heh. There’s a, let’s see, let me give you an example. I was readin’ House Bill 4074 Ok? Now listen to this Bill. This has to do with, um, narco-slavery OK? They bring up people from Mexico and they make them work in these marijuana grows OK? (Find the actual bill here: https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2022R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/HB4074/Introduced )

Herman  – I’m just gonna read one of the punch lines. There’s a few things in here and it’s a very wide, what we call relating clause. God knows what kind of amendments. But anyway, this is what it does. Listen carefully. It requires the marijuana industry workers to report to the Oregon Liquor control and cannabis commission and law enforcement if the person has reason to believe that sex trafficking, human trafficking or the prohibited employment of a minor is occurring on the premises.

(This is what the bill actually says: Requires employee or worker of marijuana licensee to report human trafficking on licensed premises to Oregon Liquor and Cannabis Commission. Directs commission to establish human trafficking coordinator position. Directs State Department of Agriculture to require any rebuttal testing of cannabis to be performed by department staff member in department-operated laboratory. Includes community-based organizations as eligible entities to receive financial assistance from Illegal Marijuana Market Enforcement Grant Program in order to address ongoing humanitarian crisis associated with unlawful marijuana cultivation or distribution operations. Becomes operative on passage. Authorizes commission to allow certain licensed marijuana retailers to relocate to other premises without obtaining new license. Requires marijuana testing laboratory employee to obtain worker permit from commission. Becomes operative on January 1, 2023. Declares emergency, effective on passage.)

Bill – UHHHH, they expect the grower to report that?

Herman – The people working there Bill Oh, oh so you’re going to have criminals and or the trafficked forced by law to report on their criminality and their trafficking statis? Is that it? Herman Yes Bill Oh that’ll work! Laughs and claps. Oh that’ll work. Oh that’ll work. Oh…..in fact we should do this with all crimes in the state of Oregon. Require by law if you commit a crime that you report it to the state of Oregon. Both laugh. Bill Oh. Alright.

Herman – If you’re involved in a crime you need to report it.

Bill – OK. I guess that’s the self-serve police department that Democrats are envisioning for the State of Oregon here in the future. And, anyway, on that note I just have to let that one go. Herman be well. Have a great week. Thanks for living in people’s heads.